Is MLB better with or without the DH? E-mail
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Today's Topic is: Is MLB better with or without the DH?

MLB IS better with the DH

By Matt O'Donnell, Fenway West: A Boston Red Sox Blog

bigpapi2The DH makes the game more interesting. Fans want to see offense pure and simple. Where are the baseball purists clamoring to go back to the Dead Ball Era?

Pitchers are not good hitters; half of them can't even get a bunt down. Who wants to watch a pitcher continually strike out and be forced out of a game early because the team needs to pinch hit for him? In 2008 the combined batting averages for NL pitchers was .139, who wants to watch that? How many times have you seen your team start a rally only to have the pitcher come up and take away the momentum with a bunt or make a pathetic swing at an outside pitch to end the inning?

American League games are shorter. MLB games are close to three hours in length and National League games take longer because of the delays for pinch hitters.

Decision making by the manager is not a factor. The theory that the manager is more involved in National League games is not really true. Anyone who has any baseball knowledge at all knows when to pinch hit for a pitcher and when to have the pitcher bunt. A.L managers have to use more strategy in picking their DH since the stereotypical power-hitting DH is a thing of the past. Most teams rotate two or three players in the designated hitter spot. Having a DH actually gets the manager more involved in the game because he can use pinch hitters whenever he wants and won't have to save them to hit for pitchers.

The DH is good for the business of baseball. More offense means more fans and more ticket sales. The DH also allows teams to keep players longer.

Hall of Famer, Tony Gwynn on the DH - "Now that I'm coaching at San Diego State - we have a DH in college baseball - I like having that extra offensive guy in my lineup and the extra possibilities it gives me (like giving a guy a "day off" by making him the DH). I realize a lot of fans don't like the DH, but it's a chance for a guy like Rickey Henderson to play another year. It's great for players who've had success in the game, but maybe can't take the grind of playing a full season at the end of their careers. It allows them to stay in the game - and that's a good thing."Matt O'DonnellFenway West

MLB IS NOT better with the DH

By William Yoder, The Nats Blog: The Nats Blog is a blog for people who believe being a Nationals fan today means being there for the start of something special. The Nats Blog looks at baseball from an organizational and sabermetric view and always tries to bring Nats fans the best and brightest content possible.

edgarmartinez"I believe in the soul ... the small of a woman's back, the hanging curveball, high fiber, good scotch, that the novels of Susan Sontag are self-indulgent, overrated crap. I believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. I believe there ought to be a constitutional amendment outlawing Astroturf and the designated hitter." - Crash Davis (Kevin Costner) in Bull Durham (1988)

Allow me to paint you a picture, pre Crash Davis.

The year was 1972. The arcade game, Pong, had just revolutionized teenage lifestyle, the price of gas was 55 cents a gallon, and the song Layla was on the top of the charts. Football and baseball teams shared their venues in big, ugly, multi-purpose stadiums, and the stars of the day like Hank Aaron, Billy Williams, Pete Rose, Joe Morgan, Willie Stargel and Johnny Bench were all in the National League.

Baseball, particularly the American League, was in a crisis of offensive drought at the time. Just three years earlier Major League Baseball had lowered the pitchers mound after the Year of the Pitcher had demolished offense from the game. The American League had only hit .230 and the man they call Yaz had just led the American League in batting with a whopping .301 batting average.

Furthermore, American League owners were in a bind. Football and Basketball were surging as popular sports across the country and all of the intriguing players and storylines were located in the National League. Attendance was as low as batting average, and the all-powerful New York Yankees were at a forgettable point in their franchise. To make things worse for owners, the National League had rebounded much better after the Year of the Pitcher and the lowering of the mound. Pittsburgh had led the National League in team batting average with a .274 mark while the American League leaders, Kansas City, trailed at an embarrassing .255 mark. The entire National League hit nine points better than the American League and had topped them in batting over the last nine seasons, and in 18 of the last 20.

The American League owners made the decision; in 1973 they would institute the Designated Hitter to boost batting and attendance.

It worked...Attendance shot up 17 percent in 1973 and the National League to this day has not topped the American League in batting since, not in 36 years.

One can argue that at the time the designated hitter was the right move for baseball. In many ways it helped save the American League and brought hitting back to the sport. However, even as the results may have pleased many, even at the time people were not thrilled with the methods, and now that hitting is dominating baseball like never before, most question the point.

Today team batting averages have jolted past those of the early 70's, as we have seen, home runs are flying out of the smaller ball parks, and new offensive superstars have dawned baseball in the last 10 years unlike any we have seen since the 30's and 40's. Hitting is back, regardless of extra hitters, and all the DH is doing is causing mix-ups and problems.

A main problem that arises today from the poor ownership of yesterday is that it causes the two leagues, which compete for the same championship, to form their teams completely differently. A great National League team could build their team around having a deep bullpen and a shallow bench, with only defensive replacements waiting in the shadows. How is that team supposed to adjust in the World Series when they have no competing DH to match the American League teams. It's not fair.

Another example would be an American League team that relies on two hitters, both of whom can only defensively play first base. The club can mash its way to the World Series but then is at a serious disadvantage when they get there. The rule simply puts teams in a situation where they need to form their team accordingly and when they meet in the middle it gets ugly.

Of course, to remedy this situation the National League could enable the DH just as easily as the American League could abolish it. But why should the National League be forced to adopt the same mistake the American League made in the first place? Logically the DH makes very little sense. Pitchers are the worst hitters so you pick a player who always hits for them, ok, but catchers are largely bad hitters too, so are some middle infielders, why aren't their three DH's then? Or unlimited DH's (barring roster size).

I think it's time for baseball to make the change back to life without the DH. They built it to bring offense back into the game, but they have clearly overcorrected the problem. The DH most likely helped enable the Steroid Era by allowing more one-dimensional players into the game, and with hitting clearly back to where baseball wanted it to be, it is no longer important to designate a spot for an extra hitter.

ronbloomberg

"I screwed up the game of baseball. Baseball needed a jolt of offense for attendance, so they decided on the DH. I never thought it would last this long." - Ron Blomberg [the first DH ever] in The Journal News (April 5, 2003) - William YoderThe Nats Blog

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Comments (29)Add Comment
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written by Alex Mantra, February 28, 2010
You know what, the DH is fine with me, but you can't go and put guys like Edgar Martinez in the HOF. You can't have career DH's as HOF's.
DHBall Stinks
written by Sports Scatter, March 01, 2010
"Dead ball era" rocked. Bring it on. And [clearing throat] the dead ball era ended more than 50 years before DHBall began. So while beside the point, I'd have to say I prefer the dead ball era baseball to post WWII baseball. Quit calling DHBall baseball. Let's play baseball again. Home runs were originally just a way to deal with park size constraints, not an intended consequence. Funny how little the average dhball writer seems to know about baseball history.
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written by Paul Fuller, March 01, 2010
If you are a "real baseball fan" you like NL baseball. If you are a casual one, you like the AL because it has more offense.
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written by OsacrJ, March 01, 2010
I like the NL game better, but then again I'm not a fan of "specialists." I don't like "closers," and I don't like players than can hit and not field or field and not hit.
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written by Hellen Grouce, March 01, 2010
William, just curious…. I’m assuming that you live in the DC geographic area. Who were you a fan of before the Expos moved to Washington? Were you not an Orioles fan…. A team in the AL?
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written by Marc Greer, March 01, 2010
Tony Gwynn never played a day on an AL team, what the heck does he know about AL baseball? The college game is nothing like the pro 162 game schedule. Great job digging up the quote, but it's not relevant.
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written by MichaelE66, March 01, 2010
Matt, I was with you until here:

"Decision making by the manager is not a factor. The theory that the manager is more involved in National League games is not really true. Anyone who has any baseball knowledge at all knows when to pinch hit for a pitcher and when to have the pitcher bunt. A.L managers have to use more strategy in picking their DH....." -

That's just wrong. Ask any manager who has managed in both leagues and he will tell you the NL has more aspects to it. To argue that "making the lineup" is somehow an overbearing task is silly.
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written by MarionB, March 01, 2010
DHBall Stinks - exactly what "Dead Ball Era" game did you attend to be able to make a claim that it was better then what you see now? Your claim holds no water because you never saw a "Dead Ball Era" played.... Hearsay..

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written by Aaron88, March 01, 2010
Matt made a comment that may be the most important fact or here.

"The DH is good for the business of baseball. More offense means more fans and more ticket sales."

At this point, even if the powers at MLB thought there should be no DH, it will never go away because in brings the game more money.
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written by Chris Hall, March 01, 2010
I LOVE THESE DEBATES! It's getting me psyched for baseball.
Hellen
written by YardYoder, March 01, 2010
written by Hellen Grouce, March 01, 2010
William, just curious…. I’m assuming that you live in the DC geographic area. Who were you a fan of before the Expos moved to Washington? Were you not an Orioles fan…. A team in the AL?


I am in no way attacking the American League, we both picked sides and made the debate based on the information available. Yes I was both an Orioles and a Mets fan growing up, I can still be a fan of a team if they have a DH, just the same as I can be a fan of baseball when they have steroids. I dont like the thing but it doesn't define my affinity towards them.

Thanks for all the comments guys!

-Will
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written by ErickS33, March 01, 2010
I am surprised that no one has mentioned the MLBPA. The union will NEVER allow jobs to be taken away by which is what would happen by eliminating the DH.
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written by Yesh6, March 01, 2010
If Ron Bloomberg was looking to make a MLB roster and he was able to do that by being a DH and that's how he earned a living, he would feel differently.
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written by YardYoder, March 01, 2010
I thought about that while I was writing, but obviously it would not have been included in my side. My argument is that they should, not that they can. But you're right, with the MLBPA they are more likely to keep it if not expand it.

-Will
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written by Casey64, March 01, 2010
Will, Matt's argument is pretty short and to the point. It's hard to argue with:

"Pitchers are not good hitters; half of them can't even get a bunt down. Who wants to watch a pitcher continually strike out and be forced out of a game early because the team needs to pinch hit for him? In 2008 the combined batting averages for NL pitchers was .139, who wants to watch that? How many times have you seen your team start a rally only to have the pitcher come up and take away the momentum with a bunt or make a pathetic swing at an outside pitch to end the inning?"

If you were a Mets fan growing up you would have to agree that there were many times you were frustrated watching a light hitting catcher (pre Piazza), Rey Ordonez and your pitcher hit. It's almost like forfeiting 9 outs (at least 3 anyway.)
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written by Erik Curan, March 01, 2010
It’s pretty neat that you have different bloggers each week. I’ve enjoyed visiting these other sites that I didn’t know about. There are some great diverse interests and opinions on the network. Great job guys.
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written by Bob Hulse, March 01, 2010
I can't believe I'm saying this. William, after reading your argument you have actually changed my opinion on the topic. You have brought facts to my attention that I didn't know that make a difference. Enough for me to change my position on this topic. Nice job.
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written by Kenny Sithe, March 01, 2010
Is that picture of Bloomberg the actual 1st DH at bat?
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written by Mike Cardano, March 01, 2010
No, on April 6, 1973 at Fenway Park, he was walked by Red Sox pitcher Luis Tiant in his first plate appearance of the game. That was the official first DH at bat. This is just a stock photo in a game at home against the Angels.
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written by Agent69, March 01, 2010
"American League games are shorter. MLB games are close to three hours in length and National League games take longer because of the delays for pinch hitters."

Matt, you clearly have never sat through a Yankee vs. Red Sox game. Those things are 4-4:30 hour marathons!
long games
written by Matt O'Donnell, March 01, 2010
Agent69, I have sat through too many Red Sox-Yankee marathons, luckily I am on the West Coast so I can stay up for the end of the games.

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written by Calus77, March 01, 2010
Will or Matt, do either of you know if pitchers hit in the minor leagues? My guess is that they use a DH just to get extra at bats for prospect major leaguers. But if pitchers hit there it would help. Some of these guys were probably good hitters as kids but I think some of these guys literally haven't hit since high school.
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written by Bob Bailor, March 01, 2010
Guys, nice debate series you have going. I think I can shed some light on this topic.

All of the non-independent minor leagues have adopted the designated-hitter rule for use in their games. At the double-A and triple-A level, when both teams are National League affiliates, they have their pitchers bat; otherwise the DH is used.

In the Pacific Coast League, pitchers only hit when both clubs are NL affiliates and both clubs agree to have their pitchers hit. The reason for this is as players move up and get closer to reaching the majors, teams prefer to have the rules mimic those of the major leagues.

Single-A and Rookie leagues use the DH in all games.

Hope this helps. Bob
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written by Alex7115, March 01, 2010
Was that Bob Bailor as in MLB player and coach Bob Bailor?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Bailor
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written by Mike Cardano, March 01, 2010
Bob, thanks for the contribution. I think that's a first here on our site (a past MLB player / coach taking part in our debates).

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written by Art Fowul, March 01, 2010
That’s definitely a problem. How can NL expect it pitchers to be serviceable hitters if the do not let them hit in the minors?
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written by Salvatore Scanci, March 01, 2010
Will - Some great facts presented here. Nice job.
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written by Don (With Malice...), March 02, 2010
It's a no-brainer for me:
"Let 'em play ball"... all of 'em.
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written by jpegg, March 03, 2010
Both the American and National Leagues should use the DH. Its just better for baseball. As a fan, I want to see the best pitchers face the best hitters. NOBODY wants to see the pitcher strikeout. www.designatedstrikeout.com

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